Wednesday, May 18, 2011

[Blogging] The Worst - Fucking - Criticism - Ever

I will not say who said this, but it was the single most ridiculous thing I've read this week;

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Sorry SHAFT, but Puella Magi Madoka Magica set a new standard for your work. Producing this puerile moeshit after achieving that level of excellence is just a fucking shame. The bar's been raised and you guys did the raising yourself--so what the hell is this?

*From Anime-suki, against Denpa Onna to Seishon Otoko*
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This is why I hate western animation fanbase in general. Many people say moe has nothing to do with the quality of the anime and kills moe-lover's opinions. But paradoxically they also say moe animations lowers the quality of the anime; it DOESN'T. This is fuckin stupid and elitist.

People who wants something 'serious' or 'deep' all the time, bitching about 'shallow' animation, makes me puke.

16 comments:

  1. Denpa Onna is crap

    Moe does not worsen a show, just like shock value, instead, they add value to it.

    However, if something purely relies on moe without a proper plot, things can go very wrong. This is what is happening to Denpa Onna now, no new Bakemonogatari, sad.

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  2. @Anon: Have you ever heard of, character driven shows?

    In that way, Azumanga Daioh has to be the worst show ever.

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  3. characters are NOT necessarily moe
    And character driven shows do not have to be brainless, writing quality can determine how interesting the daily interactions could be.

    If the character obtains no development and does the same tired actions throughout the story, it is SHI* As I compared with the shock value. If the so called "shock" is predictable, then it loses its meaning, right?

    EVA created or popularized two character archetypes, yet no one criticized them being 'moe'

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  4. @Anon: then Denpa Onna is considered to be 'brainless'? How? Character interactions are there and Erio's character is clearly showing significant advance. Is that brainless? I wonder if I watched the same show as you did.

    Is there any development in character from Hidamari Sketch or Azumanga Daioh anyway? Denpa Onna has 100 more character development just from Erio alone than those two in that sense. I still don't get any of your points.

    I don't know why you are even bringing in 'shock value' consistently. Moe and Shock value is 'DIFFERENT'. Shock value is plot device, Moe is character cliche. Comparison is automatically invalid.

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  5. if this is the response to Denpa Onna, I imagine what people will write when, say, Hidamari Sketch 4 comes out (and I suspect it will, someday). Makes me wonder why they watch anime at all. Let alone Shaft's works which are really not serious drama stuff all along.
    And I haven't watched Denpa Onna yet (apart from glimpsing at episode 1 and agreeing that Erio is downright moe, except that I miserably fail to have any problems with it), but I suspect it's going to offer much more than moe. But even if it doesn't, Shinbo's policy is to create enjoyable animation - enjoyable for themselves and the audience both. Be it drama, satire or comedy. Those who want constant serious stuff should subscribe to Mamoru Oshii and not bother commenting other shows.

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  6. I feel like a good number of people who comment against Denpa Onna are being unfair to the Work, the Studio, and the Author.

    The Work
    It irritates me when people approach this show with a simplistic mindset: "There's MOE" - "Therefore CRAP" - "Therefore NO PLOT." It's just unfair to brand a show as "CRAP" before even seeing it. (Note: "looking" is different from "seeing")

    The Studio - Shaft
    Two points.
    Point one. A fisherman once said "No skill in the world will make the fish bite." Shaft made this show, if it didn't work for you, well that's that. Next season.
    Point two. If you eat lobster every day, eventually you're gonna puke. Trust me. Take that however you will.

    The Author.
    The author did say that that Nisio Isin is an influence. But for people to expect him to be the 2nd Nisio Isin style-wise? I'd say no artist would like that. I believe Hitoma Iruma would like to be recognized as Hitoma Iruma and NOT as an fake Nisio Isin.

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  7. No mention here about how MADOKA MAGICA ITSELF IS EXTREMELY MOE ?

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  8. I've never understood why, if people don't like something, they can't just say "I don't like it" and instead they have to trash whatever they're talking about.

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  9. @myswordisunbelievablydull: just go around pixiv. Unlike people might think, moe characteristic of Mado Magi is quite strong.

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  10. Lol Madoka is moe. I bet that guy hasn't even watched the series yet.

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  11. So fucking retarded, really, Shaft was ALWAYS about moe, Madoka and Arakawa being the only exception. They based their whole existance at first on fanservice and intelligent use of it and moe.

    Fucking retards. Also, Denpa Onna is awesome.

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  12. @Anon: Nino was moe. Homuhomu is homuhomu. :D

    Anything that is character driven + cute girl, automatically brings moe issue. It's just the fact it is more focused in some series, or not.

    In case of Madoka, there was tons of moe factors from each characters. But it was totally overwhelmed by plot and directions, thus people are mind-controlled to think that it does not contain moe at all (aka Urobuchi effect). That's why its reception was even better.

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  13. Is the guy who trashed Denpa Onna implying that the anime doesn't have any content aside from its fanservice? Maybe he's just engrossed with the moe material instead of noticing the real story of Denpa Onna? This anime might never be as good as Madoka Magica but it does have content, and a good one to boot.

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  14. First of all, I apologize in advance for the long post.

    Follow up to my post (May 18, 2011 10:06 PM). People who complain that Denpa Onna has no plot either haven't been watching or are downright naive. By naive I refer to people who don't understand subtlety.

    Most are familiar with shows that have an overt plot. That's the stuff shounen stuff are made of. You can pretty much tell what its about from Episode 1. Setting. Main character. Ability. Villain. Not saying that this is bad. It just that it does has its share of weaknesses. For one, its plain. Well, that could be a good thing. But in a good number of times, change is in order. This could be done using plot twists or plot shifts. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

    In contrast, Denpa Onna's plot, especially for WESTERN viewers (see conclusion of this post) is subtle. It doesn't tell you the story right away in Episode 1. Rather, it's slow, smooth AND developing. To make my point, let's look at the Erio-Meme relationship. Episode 1 we have Meme loosing it and going MMA on Erio. Relationship is almost hostile/apathetic. But in Episode 5, we now have Erio calling Meme MOM. They even had more mother-daughter bonding moments.

    This development is subtle and it worked. It wasn't a one-episode thing. It wasn't overly dramatic. It wasn't drawn out. And it integrates well with the over-all plot of the show.

    What is the over-all plot of the show? Well, it's right freaking there in the title: Crazy Woman and Adolescent Man. It's a coming-of-age story.

    That's how I see it. Thank you. Again apologies for the long post.


    (Another illustration about subtlety, though I'd hate to make this comparison, when you watched episode 1-2 of Bakemonogatari, were you able to gauge what type of anime it was?)

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  15. What people make in the past is independent on their future works. What they do later doesn't have to be compared to what they did before.

    Moe isn't a bad thing. However, it can be counterproductive if the same level of moe is used excessively (can possibly be used excessively in a row if the level escalates each instance). A show shouldn't focus on moe alone, but that's just my opinion.

    I do think that there are advantages to having other elements as well as moe. The difference in quality between A-Channel and K-ON comes to mind, as K-ON has much better script, in my opinion.

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  16. I don't like at all that opinion and I love your review of it (all the comments)

    It is stupid to ask a anime studio to make a standard out of a great series. Also Shaft risked a lot with Madoka. Denpa Onna is an anime that seems to be less risked than an original project so It would be a better idea to get money back if Madoka wasn't popular.

    I not saying that Denpa is bad. I like it and I'm following it but this is a comedy it is for laughing about it. not a WRF show like Madoka.

    This is just a easy more economic related opinion. Because anime is also a business right? Not just pleasure for viewers. (sorry if my English fails me)

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